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anna genoese ([personal profile] alg) wrote2006-04-05 04:04 pm

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I think RWA is (generally speaking) a great organization. I think a lot of times it's extremely helpful. I think RWA has done much to help romance become a genre that's taken seriously. I think RWA refuses to be shunted aside by people who say, "Oh, it's just women." I think that is awesome.

However. The number one thing I see from RWA members that makes me cringe is this "Pro" thing. Really. Stop it. I don't care that you have a pro pin. It doesn't actually make you a professional at all. In fact, I sort of mentally groan and roll my eyes and think to myself, "Great, yet another person who has no idea what she's doing."

It's not your fault -- RWA encourages you to think this is important. That's fine. But here's a reality check: it doesn't matter. If you're sending me a proposal, I care about your words a lot, and your publishing history/contacts a little bit, and your RWA status not at all.

(If you don't know what I am talking about, here's a quick definition: RWA offers something called a "Pro pin" to its members who have finished and submitted a manuscript. Since 999 times out of 1,000 (999,999 times out of 1,000,000?) a first-time submission won't get published, you can prove that you are a "pro" by showing them your rejection letter. Seriously. I have run into more than one person who writes and submits a crappy ms. just for a pro pin, and more than one person who thinks that a pro pin means something to editors. It does not. Obviously.)

La la la. Moving on. Yesterday when I woke up, Vincent was dragging his back legs. In fact, I woke up because he was making weird noise. It was like he didn't have the use of his hips, but he wouldn't let me look at his legs. So I called my vet and left a message and called in sick to work. I kept calling my vet. To make a long story short, she couldn't see me, so I went with both cats to the ghetto vet near the Williamsburg Bridge. Vincent was fine -- by the time we got there, he was totally okay. But it turns out that Shiksa's got conjunctivitis!

I felt kind of hysterical and ridiculous -- yet at the same time absolutely vindicated because something was wrong.

Then I went to the office, because I am a compulsive workaholic, and, before going out for supper with some of my friends, I stopped in at a B&N near my office. I was kind of appalled to see that romance only had two bookshelves, whereas mystery had five, but whatever. I picked up six or seven books, and read one of them while drinking a mocha -- The Admiral's Bride by Suzanne Brockmann. She's one of my favorite writers, and this is a reprint (originally published in 1999), and I loved it. And when I was finished, I realized that I shouldn't have done that. I should have saved her for last.

Because the other five books or however many I had? Were crap. I flipped through them on the train on my way home. The most egregious errors were ones the copyeditor really should have caught (like the heroine who first graduated in 1996 and then in 1998, and either way, there was no way that she was a successful sociology professor!). I hated so many of the characters. There were a lot of clumsy beginnings -- dossiers instead of character development, etc. Totally boring stuff that actually kind of upset me. Why so lazy, writers?

Not to even mention that 99% of the time, when there's a dossier to introduce characters, they're always accurate. I hate that. I think it would be much more interesting to do something like what [livejournal.com profile] cesperanza did in her story MVP and have the dossier actually be inaccurate (or not entirely accurate, anyway). Come on, shake things up.

Jeez.

I don't mean to sound so vehement, but.... blah. I had high hopes. I always do. I just hate everything! I can see why other people would enjoy some of it (sometimes I can, anyway), but I just... Hm. Like my userinfo used to say, I am interested exclusively in things that are interesting.

Things I have tried and failed at in the last few days: to set up a "real" blog using movable type (that shit is hard!), Trackbacks, PB Wiki ([livejournal.com profile] scratchyfishie and [livejournal.com profile] 2muchexposition both have one, but I can't figure out what to use it for!), the Xvid codec, the DivX codec, and to teach myself to compress video files without losing too much quality.

I have, however, suceeded at eating a lot of burritos, listening to a lot of Kane, watching a lot of Supernatural and Criminal Minds and Grey's Anatomy and The Evidence, and planning out what I am going to do with my life, which includes opening a roadside truckstop diner with my friends where we will serve pie.

In conclusion, Christian Kane is hot. There's not much more I can say about that.

good to know...

(Anonymous) 2006-04-06 12:37 pm (UTC)(link)
On an earlier comment trail about crappy epubs and the sad sacks who use them as publishing credits.

Hoping that is not the case with my first (e)book, I did list it (and the publisher, no dirt under MY rug) on the query I just sent. However, I think the publisher who has bought my book IS pretty crappy, and wish I'd had the experience/patience/knowledge/confidence to send it to print publishers first. Oh well.

The first million words are practice, right? Thanks for the blog.

[identity profile] the-lady-m.livejournal.com 2006-04-06 01:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Come over to the dark side dahhhhling... Blogspot.

:P

PS. Wanna Cover?

(Anonymous) 2006-04-06 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Pie? I'm so there. (Are actually NOT - gasp - watching Lost? Or House?)

Jill (http://www.jillshalvis.com/blog)

One clarification

(Anonymous) 2006-04-06 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)
RWA's Pro status isn't awarded for getting a rejection. It is awarded for completing and submitting a manuscript to a publisher or agent. You do not have to produce a rejection letter to be a pro, you have to show proof that you submitted it. A return postcard will do the trick.

The Pro designation is useful within RWA in that there are workshop tracks at the national conference specifically for Pro members, and they're really good. There are Pro-only email loops at national and local levels, where the slightly more experienced writers can chat without having to deal with the inevitable newbie interruptions with questions on manuscript format and 'What's a query letter?'

I'm not and have never been a Pro, 'cause I'm published. But I've been involved in the Pro program at my chapter level, and I have to tell you, the Pro members tend to be the ones who have been around a while and know a little something. You might think it's silly, but getting the pin is just one little perk on what can be a very long road. Unpublished writers get so little validation, and if they can feel a spark of pride at being recognized for one step on the road to publication, why begrudge them? I don't understand why the Pro thing bothers people so much. If it's not your thing, just ignore it.

Boy reads romance

(Anonymous) 2006-04-06 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I take romance seriously. I don't take RWA so seriously, though, 'cept it is kinda fun being outnumbered by all those wet panties.

In defense of the PRO

[identity profile] dragon-quill.livejournal.com 2006-04-06 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
While I understand your point, the PRO designation is to give those of us still struggling a boost. The idea is that if you are actually writing--and finishing--manuscripts and submitting them, then you need some special recognition. There are also email loops, newsletters, etc only for PROs. I personally like this, because I can then miss most (not all) of the beginners questions and get right to the stuff that intersts me.

That said, when I submitted to you, I certainly didn't tell you I had my Pro pin. To be honest, I'm not sure why people do. The pin isn't to impress editors, it's to stave off depression and the desire to throw your computer out the window. It's tough out here for writers--especially women writers. Any support we can get is good.

Now that I've thoroughly disagreed with you, may I say that your very nice rejection did more to stave off said depression and computer tossing than any piece of metal. You are a true professional--and a genuinely nice person. I SO hope to someday have you as my editor. Thanks!

Quality of books (or lack thereof)

(Anonymous) 2006-04-07 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
I read a book recently that made me want to scream - category romance. There's an arsonist on the loose. About 3/4 of the way through the book, the heroine gets a message delivered (via a real live messenger dude!) that is supposedly from the hero, telling her to meet him at the church, so he can give her info about the arsonist. So even though this arsonist is on the loose, even though he has *already* communicated with the hero by using a messenger, even though anyone with half a brain would think, "Why doesn't he just call me?" our fearless heroine goes without a second thought!

From that point on, I stopped caring what happened to her. She was too stupid to live! It completely ruined the rest of the book for me, and I'm a little surprised I even bothered to finish it. I don't like it when my intelligence is insulted! How did this book get published? Did the editor not notice, or just not care? I don't get it!

- SandyC -

[identity profile] tartanshell.livejournal.com 2006-04-07 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
Regarding video compression, if you're not vehemently opposed to the practice of making fanvids, you might want to check out the memories of [livejournal.com profile] vidding. There are some incredibly helpful tutorials. :)

Hannukah story

(Anonymous) 2006-04-07 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Thought I'd post this question here as opposed to earlier blog. Would you consider a mystical Hannukah story written in first person, a bit chick litty, from female POV? Older heroine, younger hero. Not finished yet, could easily switch to third limited and throw in some male POV. Would love feedback.
Sent you a contemporary witch story this morning. At least first three chapters.
Thanks. R.

(Anonymous) 2006-04-08 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, check. Don't mention Pro pin.

What about the following: at a recent workshop--name withheld--the author suggested mentioning whether one is a member or a coordinator for a critique group that included published authors. Something along the lines of: their critiques helping to polish a writer's work appropriately.

Bad idea?

Happy to read you care about words and some about credentials.

And Christian Kane is definitely hot...was very relieved to see that his right hand is still attached. Haven't seen him since Angel and was happy for the trip down memory lane.

[identity profile] hafowler.livejournal.com 2006-04-08 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
Kane and pie. What more do you need? *sigh*

Yes and No

(Anonymous) 2006-04-08 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi! I heard you speak at a recent conference and really enjoyed your openness and frankness. I just wanted to comment on your statements regarding RWA's Pro Status.

I do understand that a writer having or not having Pro status is irrelevant to an editor.

However, I don't think the Pro status is *for* editors.

It's RWA's creation, and I think it is for RWA.

They offer many workshops, email loops, retreats, and so on, and I think they needed some way to separate the masses into three main groups: published authors, writers-who-have-actually-finished-manuscripts, and people-who-would-like-to-be-a-writer-someday.

Admittedly, any manufactured sorting criteria is bound to be less than perfect.

However, I do think that these "broad stroke" separations help RWA to better group writers in similar places along their career paths.

There are those who have "made" it, those who haven't even begun, and those in the middle. The Pro pin writers are part of that middle.

While I agree that it is a vast middle, ranging from the next best seller to infinite monkeys at a keyboard, I do understand RWA's goal in providing some sort of delineation.

What might be a good workshop/loop/etc for Jane-Smith-who-hasn't-written-anything-yet would not necessarily be a good workshop/loop/etc for Nora Roberts, or even the not-yet-discovered Neo-Nora.

That said, I do agree that writers mentioning their Pro status in queries to you (and other editors) is meaningless, because even if they weren't Pro, they would be by the mere fact of querying you.

Perhaps we should all remember that Pro status *is* useful for RWA, but the rest of the world doesn't necessarily care. =)

Just my two cents...

Thanks!

Pro Status

(Anonymous) 2006-04-08 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
In addition to the email loops, extra workshops and such, there's another benefit to getting "Pro" status... At nationals, members who are "Pros" get second dibs on editor/agent appointments, just behind Golden Heart finalists. My understanding is that if you haven't achieved "Pro" status, it's unlikely you will get an appointment with an editor or agent. At least this way, RWA is able to ensure that the people getting those appointments have at minimum completed a manuscript.

That having been said, it never would have occurred to me to tout my Pro status in a letter to an editor. I became a Pro for the benefits, not to have a "designation" and I think that's the way it is for most Pros.

Out of the Pro and into the PAN

[identity profile] jdbconwell.livejournal.com 2006-04-08 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
It's been my experience that Pro didn't really net me much by way of access, since I hadn't gone to a national conference, or (admittedly) made use of the Pro loops on our RWA Online chapter. I wouldn't dream of putting it on a query...might as well print FRESHMAN on my forehead and get it over with.

Now it remains to be seen whether being a member of PAN (RWA's Published Author Network) will do me much more good. Triskelion has just received RWA approval as a publisher (recent blog entry on Starfish and Coffee). I'm not going to National this year, either, so unless the PAN boards have something terribly profound to offer me by way of writerly education, I think the best thing to do is just...write the next damned book.

[identity profile] lotus-faerie.livejournal.com 2006-04-08 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Namaste! I hope you don't mind my adding you as a friend, but as you already know, your insights into the publishing industry are wonderful. As a former editorial assistant at Routledge, I can only nod in enthusiastic agreement at the things I recognized and smile at the things I learned while reading your posts.

Pro Criteria - Hmmm...

(Anonymous) 2006-04-10 02:18 am (UTC)(link)
RWA Pro designation shouldn't even be given to anyone with fewer than three COMPLETED (as in polished) manuscripts.

What's the point of giving it away to anyone with only ONE ms? That's just a practice ms.

[identity profile] wolfinthewood.livejournal.com 2006-04-10 09:04 am (UTC)(link)
One thing the back leg problem might be is a sign of kidney disease - very common in cats, especially aging cats. If this is diagnosed, it can be controlled for a time - sometimes for quite a while - with occasional steroid shots and a carefully balanced diet. If Vincent were my cat, I'd take him to another vet for a second opinion.

Vincent, Kane and Pie...Sounds like a bad law firm

(Anonymous) 2006-04-13 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi Anna! I agree w/ WolfintheWood, get Vincent checked for kidney problems. Had the same thing on the leg-dragging with my Siamese. Scared the bejeezus out of me. I thought she'd been hit by a car, then had a reality check after my panic attack - she was an indoor cat. She lived 10 more years (18+) after the diagnoses, but wouldn't have made it two w/o. Totally agree about the Hottie, Christian Kane. And pie? At an ALG diner? I'm there. Bad thought to read Suzanne first, even her old stuff. And the copyediting? Totally agree there. Picked up one in the (oh yeah, it's bigger!) mystery section and had to put it back because within the first 5 pages, I found seven errors. Yikes! LOL on the Pro-pin rant. It doesn't do anything for anyone, in my admittedly un-humble opinion. Good idea, impossible execution. Sent you a Romantic Suspense query, have a Hanukkah book, but it isn't done yet. Glad you, at least, are looking for something other than the "I follow the RULES" mss out there. Judged a ton of 'em and agree w/ another poster that critique groups and RWA classes usually beat the originality right out of all of it. Sigh...think I'll go make a pecan pie and eat a slice hot, with ice cream. :>

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